Nice cornbread. Sorry, I missed your original post. This stuff is hard to argue with and unless researchers discover the science they use to analyse this data is wrong, it's yet another logical reason for everyone not to simply accept traditional or faith -based explanations of the earth's history.
joey jojo
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epica- ice cores
by joey jojo inepica- european project for ice coring in antarctica.. kind of old news but fascinating.
over the last 10 years or so, this organisation has analysed ice core samples taken from antarctica.
drilling more than 3000 metres into the permafrost, they produced the longest, continuous record of earths climate extending back almost 800 000 years.
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epica- ice cores
by joey jojo inepica- european project for ice coring in antarctica.. kind of old news but fascinating.
over the last 10 years or so, this organisation has analysed ice core samples taken from antarctica.
drilling more than 3000 metres into the permafrost, they produced the longest, continuous record of earths climate extending back almost 800 000 years.
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joey jojo
epica- European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica.
Kind of old news but fascinating. Over the last 10 years or so, this organisation has analysed ice core samples taken from Antarctica
Drilling more than 3000 metres into the permafrost, they produced the longest, continuous record of earths climate extending back almost 800 000 years. Yes, eight hundred THOUSAND years.
Interestingly, no evidence of Noahs flood. These core samples closely match others taken from Greenland which date to over 100 000 years old. They use several kinds of dating techniques from independent sources to verify the ages of these core samples. Young earth creationists, of course, have done their best to try and discredit this research. I did a quick search on JW.org for 'ice core samples' and found no mention of them.
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Were you beaten as a child?
by purrpurr ini've been confronting my mother with her dubious parenting skills (abuse) of me as a child.
particularly the beatings i would get with the wooden spoon.
not a light smack but hitting me as hard as she could for as long as she could.
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joey jojo
My parents were pretty reasonable with corporal punishment. Definitely got the belt from dad and the feather duster and electrical cord from Mum but only once or twice. Never fists or slapped faces.
My cousins though- a different story. They were JW's (not anymore) and my Aunty would do anything to her daughters. Electric cords across the back of bare legs, purple bruises and broken skin. I saw her break a wooden spoon on my 10 yr old cousins arm and keep hitting her with the handle. Brushes, fists, bamboo canes. My wife got it almost the same from her parents growing up as JW's. Hardly any of the behaviour warranted the ridiculous punishments some kids got.
When I think about the real little bastards, the kids that always misbehaved, even though they got beaten regularly, they still acted out, that's why I doubt corporal punishment really works. Maybe in some cases but not all.
Ahh the 70's, the good old days.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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joey jojo
LettMorrisSplaneit, enjoy....
"Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah's people have at times speculated about the time when the 'great tribulation' would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we bring a heart of wisdom in,' not by speculating about how many years or days makeup a generation, but by thinking about how we 'count our days' in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term 'generation' as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics." - November 1 1995 Watchtower, page 16.
Remember the line from the kingdom song based on Ps 90:10?, 'our years are 70 - or 80, if we have special mightiness'.
AMAZINGLY.. exactly 81 years from 1914, there was suddenly 'new light'!! But only after the prophecy had failed.
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I COLLECT QUOTES. . . Here are some of my favorites
by Terry inplease post your favorites too.
my favorite quotations:.
you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.. don’t think of cost.
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joey jojo
'Not everyone you fight is your enemy, not everyone that helps you is your friend'.
'Assumption is the mother of all cock-ups'.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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joey jojo
Honest
'I was told by my young jw nephew that the society never said that the generation that saw 1914 will not pass away. Then I looked at him and said dude you weren't born yet and that was most certainly the Teaching and to go home and ask his parents. he never brang it up again. '
Honest, this is exactly what disturbs me about all this.
Just like 1975, how long before no one will remember, or admit to remembering, the original understanding of the 1914 generation?
Whenever you claim to represent God and publish teachings in his name, preach these teachings to the world as truth, then change them, that's called blasphemy, presumptuousness and bringing reproach to God's name.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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It has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.
Remember those guys? The ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.
I'm glad I'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief. The reason I say that is because I have a lot of 'still in' JW friends and family. The 'kids' I grew up with 'in the truth' now have adult children of their own. Yet, I realised that any 'born in' dub would have to be at least 26- 30 years old to even vaguely remember preaching about the 'original generation' of 1914.
That means that the children of my friends that I used to go door to door with have no memory of the 'single generation' 1914 teaching. As far as I know, the jw.org website only has publications going back as far as 2000, so researching it through official channels presents a problem, unless they come to websites like this one.
Theres something about this that really bothers me. Like the original belief that Armageddon will start in 1914- which was then changed when it didn't happen, the society's survival seems to rely on older ones dying off along with their memories of what they were taught and preached as truth. Once the old generation are gone (along with their inconvenient memories), its time to roll out the next change of doctrine.
I doubt there has ever been so much rapid change in the organisation. I can't help but think its just all sizzle to disguise the fact that there is no steak anymore.
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Self-Driving vehicles and delivery robots - why?
by FadeToBlack ini saw a 'news' article today about pizza hut (i think) delivering pizzas via a robotic vehicle in nz.
also another article headline saying it is not a question of if, but when.
my immediate thought was, why?
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joey jojo
Worldwide, car accidents kill a person every 25 secs. That's about 1.25 million a year. How many more are maimed or crippled?
Removing the human factor would no doubt make a big difference.
Human factor: ego, temper, tiredness, distraction, carelessness, speed, drugs,alcohol, inexperience and stupidity to name a few.
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My life as a fundamentalist
by joey jojo inas a born-in jw, i never considered myself to be a fundamentalist.
i always thought we were enlightened, progressive and not 'stuck in darkness' like all the other religions.. i was totally wrong.. as far as fundamentalists go, jw's are probably right up there amongst the front-runners.
no, they do not stone people to death or go on religion-fuelled violent rampages but that's not what i'm talking about.
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joey jojo
As a born-in JW, I never considered myself to be a fundamentalist. I always thought we were enlightened, progressive and not 'stuck in darkness' like all the other religions.
I was totally wrong.
As far as fundamentalists go, JW's are probably right up there amongst the front-runners. No, they do not stone people to death or go on religion-fuelled violent rampages but that's not what I'm talking about.
A fundamentalist believes the book they consider sacred as fact, in its entirety. As we know, JW's believe the bible to be infallible. They believe everything that is written in it actually happened and look to the bible (combined with their own interpretation) as the final word in any argument, be it scientific, moral, prophetic, whatever.
Why is this so dangerous?
It negates logic and reason. A fundamentalist is by definition an unreasonable, dogmatic person. He does not care about peer reviewed scientific discoveries if they disprove what he believes in, he regards them as joke. I have heard JW's mock excellent, caring medical doctors because they advocate using blood when needed in life-saving surgeries. Others may have 'read an article or two' about bloodless surgery and now feel qualified to judge these medical staff that have devoted most of their lives so far learning to save lives. This all comes about because of an unclear scripture in the old testament. This is just one example.
As JW's, everything we do, say and think is governed by someone else, we don't get to think for ourselves. We choose life paths for ourselves and our children based on this information.
All a fundamentalist has to do is believe the bible. That's it, case closed, argument over. If you disagree then you are an apostate. A scientist however does not have that luxury. he cannot just proclaim something to be true and expect everyone else to agree. Anything a researcher does is peer reviewed, challenged, debated in a search for the truth. A scientist must go where the evidence leads them, this is rational and logical.
I haven't been to a meeting in about 10 yrs. As a baptised dub, I really thought I knew a lot about the bible but over the last 10 years I have learned the most interesting stuff and I guess that is the point I am coming to.
Fundamentalists, like JW's, base their whole lives and those of their children on the bible because they assume it to be true but how much do we know about the bible? Here's some fun stuff I really want to share. Some of this has no doubt been covered on this website but some people may not have come across it yet. This is not a comprehensive list but hopefully it will be of interest to anyone who has just started searching for truth.
Jesus was not born of a virgin. Isa 7:14,the scripture that 'foretells' his birth of a virgin has nothing to do with Jesus. The word 'virgin' in Hebrew was mistranslated into greek and originally meant 'the young woman of marriageable age'. It applied to a young woman that was standing in the presence of the King Ahaz when Isaiah spoke the prophecy. She would give birth to a child named Immanuel that will still be young when the threat from the enemy kings had passed.
There is no archaeological evidence for Moses, Abraham, Isaac outside the bible.
There is no evidence outside the bible that there was an exodus of the Jews from Egypt.
There is little to no archaeological or historical evidence for David or Solomon living in the 10th century BCE.
How long is a creative day? I don't know and neither do the governing body, although it didn't stop them from telling us to preach that it was 7000 years to the whole world for decades. This has implications for end times prophecy and its what led to the 1975 debacle.
I wasn't going to mention Noahs flood but needless to say there is absolutely no geological evidence it happened. There is no physical evidence it happened. The ark has never been found. This is a topic that has its own threads on this website.
This is the tip of the iceberg. The point I am trying to make is that as dub, I swallowed all this without thought and because I was a fundamentalist, I looked down on anyone that didn't agree with me.
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Richard Dawkins on spirituality - please help
by Fernando ini would like to better understand what richard dawkins is saying and would appreciate your help, views and opinions, including the implications:.
"far from being demeaning to human spiritual values, scientific rationalism is the crowning glory of the human spirit.
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joey jojo
Rationalism is the exact opposite of religious fundamentalism.
What has more merit? To blindly believe something just because your parents do, without question, or to take the time and effort to research the beliefs that you have been told to live your life by.
From the interviews and discussions of Dawkins I have seen , one message I take from him is that 'living a good life is its own reward'.
Much of religion has at its root a fear of dying and the promise that it is possible to cheat death by living according to certain principles. Only your group know the secret to eternal life and only your group have gods favour.
From my experience, fundamentalism seems to be inversely proportional to reasoning ability. So, if a person can cast off generations of traditions and rituals, actually THINK for themselves and base their conclusions on verifiable evidence and then continue to live a good decent life, showing love and respect for their fellow man because they want to, not because they have to, and see the reason and logic for doing so, that, to me speaks well of what man can accomplish.
The alternative is to be a drone, passing your drone blueprint to your offspring ad nauseam.